rezidentiat in canada, mit sau realitate.

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rezidentiat in canada, mit sau realitate.

Postby pitea » Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:31 pm

absolvesc universitatea de medicina si stau la rascrucea drumurilor, este vreo sansa sa fac rezidentiatul in canada?
vad ca majoritatea forumurilor sunt putin pesimiste.
care este soarta absolventilor medicinisti in canada? :help:

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Re: rezidentiat in canada, mit sau realitate.

Postby adi » Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:07 pm

pitea wrote:absolvesc universitatea de medicina si stau la rascrucea drumurilor, este vreo sansa sa fac rezidentiatul in canada?
vad ca majoritatea forumurilor sunt putin pesimiste.
care este soarta absolventilor medicinisti in canada? :help:

de obicei, cand vad un titlu de topic ca cel pus de tine, ma gandesc la Big Foot, nu la rezidentiat. :lol:

e mit, daca incepi cautarile asa. nu e o critica, toti am trecut prin etapa asta prin care treci tu acum (dovada postul de mai sus), dar trebuie sa spun ca modul asta de a privi lucrurile este naiv. nu exista solutii universal valabile dupa cum nu exista 2 oameni la fel. daca vrei sa stii daca se poate, bineinteles ca se poate. daca intrebi daca vei putea tu, numai tu poti afla, incercand. nimic nu e absolut, nimic nu e imposibil cu anumite conditii. probabil asta vrei sa afli, conditiile in care ai putea reusi. depinde de tine, de profilul tau, perseverenta, etc. or despre asta nu scrie nicaieri in postul tau.

nu vei primi nici un raspuns serios la intrebarea ta in prezent. cum ai dori ca altcineva sa cheltuiasca timp si energie cu sfaturi cand tu insuti nu faci un efort similar? repet, e un sfat, nu o critica.

ps. citeste intai toate informatiile oficiale despre asta, vezi www.mcc.ca . apoi vezi prevederile specifice ale provinciei in care vrei sa mergi. apoi cauta asociatiile de IMGs din provincia dorita, citeste iar ce spun si aia. dupa aia intreaba.
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Re: rezidentiat in canada, mit sau realitate.

Postby rileyman » Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:38 pm

mit.
daca vrei N America, varianta SUA e cea mai buna. Invata bine engleza insa, si lucreaza putin si la gramatica limbii romane.. nu strica!

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Re: rezidentiat in canada, mit sau realitate.

Postby emacic » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:23 pm

Ideal, e sa ai rezidenta permanenta in Canada. Pt Quebec iti ia cam 1,5-2 ani de cand depui actele la Bucuresti pana pleci (dar iti trebuie experienta de munca...). Apoi, se recomanda sa refaci o parte din facultate decat sa intri direct in rezidentiatul lor (tot pt Quebec, se poate sa refaci doar ultimii doi ani de facultate, dupa ce dai vreo 3 examene, dar, repet, trebuie sa ai rezidenta). Prin urmare, asa cum spune si Adi, nimic nu e imposibil, daca asta vrei. Un lucru important este sa nu astepti prea mult pana te hotarasti...
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Re: rezidentiat in canada, mit sau realitate.

Postby acajou » Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:04 pm

sau poti sa te duci si sa te angajezi pe alt post, tot in sanatate dar nu ca medic. oricum castigi de 10 ori mai bine ca aici. si nu in Quebec ca acolo e french.

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Re: rezidentiat in canada, mit sau realitate.

Postby asana » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:21 pm

Inainte de a porni la un drum asa lung , este bine sa te informezi mai intai . Totul este posibil , depinde cati ani din viata ta esti dispus sa-i investesti in acest proiect . Canada este o tara unde totul este foarte bine reglementat prin legi care se aplica . Exista ordine profesionale pentru aproape orice meserie , mai ales pentru cele din domeniul medical . Fara echivalarea diplomei , nu te poti angaja pe nici un post in domeniul medical , oricat de neinsemnat ar parea , fie el de ambulantier , asistent de farmacie , infirmiera sau chiar secretara medicala ( in acest caz nu trebuie sa ai drept de libera practica , dar de vreme ce exista cursuri locale la nivel de college ce pregatesc oameni in acest scop este putin probabil sa accepte pe cineva din afara , cu o pregatire superioara ; in Canada nu exista conceptul - a facut medicina , deci e capabil sa faca niste programari prin telefon ; deviza locala - omul potrivit la locul potrivit , nu se merge pe personal supracalificat , cu atat mai mult ca sunt obligati prin lege sa te plateasca la un anumit nivel salarial ca absolvent de studii superioare ; este indicat chiar sa eviti sa treci in CV facut pt un astfel de post faptul ca ai MD degree , daca doresti sa te cheme cineva la interviu ). Pentru toate exista diferite certificari canadiene , pe care trebuie sa le detii , pentru a putea profesa . De exemplu , pentru asistent de farmacie exista un curs de 3 luni pentru cei care detin deja o diploma medicala din afara , la sfarsit este un examen si obtii drept de libera practica , cu care te poti angaja si castiga un ban cat timp inveti pentru recunoasterea studiilor medicale . Fiecare provincie are regulile proprii , ordinele profesionale proprii , pentru a putea practica trebuie sa faci parte atat din ordinul national cat si din cel provincial . Sunt provincii care recunosc deschis ca nu sunt interesate de medical foreign graduates , altele , cel putin teoretic , accepta imigranti . Quebecul , Ontario , fac parte din a doua categorie . In Quebec exista trei examinari , care se pot sustine in aproximativ 2 ani jumate , tinand cont ca exista o ordine stricta si date fixe de examinare , nu ca in cazul stepurilor americane . Dupa sustinerea lor si a examenului de lb franceza , teoretic se depune dosarul pentru intrarea in rezidentiat si participi la jumelage odata cu absolventii locali , practic , nu prea exista spitale care sa accepte drept rezidenti foreign medical graduates . Depinde de dosar - pt fiecare specializare exista criterii diferite de selectie , ca sa-ti dau un exemplu , media ultimului an de studii medicale efectuate in Quebec , se ia in calcul la puctajul candidatului , iar daca esti foreign pierzi din start ( procentajul era undeva pe la 30% daca imi aduc aminte ) . Mai conteaza scrisori de recomandare si astea sunt luate in calcul tot daca sunt de la un medic autohton , etc. Un doctorat sustinut la o universitate quebecoasa creste serios sansele candidatului , pentru ca intra intr-o alta categorie , deja . Practic , sunt putini , foarte putini , cei care reusesc , pe aceasta cale , dar , nu e imposibil ... O alta varianta este de a sustine doua dintre cele trei examinari si de a depune dosarul pentru admitere la una din cele trei universitati francofone de medicina ( McGill cere si MCAT-ul la admitere ) , care au fiecare cate 2 locuri in fiecare an pentru foreign medical graduates . Daca esti selectat , esti chemat la interviu si apoi la
examinarea scrisa si cea practica la univ . Daca esti acceptat , iti pot fi recunoscuti maxim 2 ani de facultate si apoi urmezi studiile si examinarile ca si autohtonii . Sunt 6 locuri pe an si cateva sute de imigranti care si-au sustinut deja examenele nationale si nu-i accepta nimeni in rezidentiat si isi depun in fiecare an dosarul , dar poti incerca . In Ontario , procedeul e asemanator , in plus exista niste cursuri pe care trebuie sa la urmezi si sa la platesti , bineinteles , inainte de a-ti depune dosarul la jumelage . La nivel national stiam ca sunt undeva pe la cateva mii bune de foreign medical graduates cu examenele nationale trecute si care nu au fost acceptati in rezidentiat , la un moment dat gasisem pe net o pagina a lor , se constituisera intr-o mica organizatie , pentru a da in judecata guvernul canadian , rezultatul nu l-am mai aflat . Alte variante , mai viabile , sunt : reorientarea catre stepurile americane , urmarea cursurilor unei facultati de asistente (3-4 ani si un job sigur , platit intre 50-60 mii$/an ) , un master de 2 ani ( cam acelasi nivel salarial ) , master + doctorat cu cariera in invatamant ( intre 60mii si 90 mii $/an ) , etc . Aici poti gasi clasificarea meseriilor in nomenclatorul canadian , cu requirements-urile pentru fiecare : http://canada-immigration.softlandings. ... cation.php . Procesul de selectie dureaza pentru QC intre 12 - 18 luni de la depunerea dosarului pana la obtinerea vizei , pentru BC dura si 4-5 ani pana de curand cu cerinte foarte mari , acum s-a accelerat un pic . Mai trebuie luat in calcul si timpul pentru strangerea banilor necesari , pregatirea limbilor la nivelul cerut ( TOEFL , GRE , TCF ) etc . Mult succes !
Cand pasul vostru simte greutatea urcusului, aduceti peste calea voastra puterea vointei si renuntarea nu va va mai gasi!

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Re: rezidentiat in canada, mit sau realitate.

Postby emacic » Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:01 pm

Multumim mult pt informatiile f detaliate!
Pt analiza dosarului de intrare in rezidentiat (fara sa fi facut facultatea acolo) cat de mult conteaza articolele publicate? ai spus ca un doctorat creste mult sansele de intrare, e valabil si pt un doctorat in afara Canadei? Sa inteleg ca pana la urma intrarea in rezidentiat se bazeaza pe nr de puncte pe care il strangi sau conteaza mai mult interviul?
Legat de varianta cu refacerea facultatii (cei 2 ani, pt Quebec), la terminarea ei, ai aceleasi sanse la rezidentiat ca ceilalati, adica ai sanse sa obtii o specializare mai sus cotata, de exemplu dermatologia? Cat de solicitanta e facultatea, adica ai putea sa mai ai si un alt job pe langa?

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Re: rezidentiat in canada, mit sau realitate.

Postby Khaos » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:05 pm

Medical Training/Licensure System in Canada

Stages for Canadian Medical Graduates

Registration to Practice Medicine in Canada >>
This chart provides a general overview of the licensure stages.

The following links discuss each stage of training and licensure:

Undergraduate Pre-medical Education
Undergraduate Medical Education
Postgraduate Training (Residency)
Certification
Licentiate of the Medical Council of Canada (LMCC)
Registration to Practice



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Undergraduate Pre-Medical Education (university)
Undergraduate education focuses on natural sciences, social sciences and humanities for fostering inquiry and problem-solving skills; for improving communication and interpersonal skills; and for developing intellectual discipline. The typical requirement is a bachelor's degree.
Source: Medical School Admission Requirements US and Canada, 2003-2004, Association of American Medical Colleges, ISBN 1 57754 0220

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Undergraduate Medical Education (medical school)
Medical schools prepare students in the art and science of medicine, and provide them with the background necessary to enter a three to seven-year period of graduate medical education.
Source: Medical School Admission Requirements US and Canada 2003-2004, Association of American Medical Colleges, ISBN 1 57754 0220

Eleven of the seventeen Canadian medical schools require the Medical College Admission Test (MCAT) for entrance into medical school.
Medical school programs are typically 4 years.
First 2 years- basic science essential to medicine plus a variety of topics, such as community health, medical ethics, etc.
Second 2 years – clinical rotations, clerkships of 4 – 12 weeks.
Students apply in their final year to graduate training programs (residency) through the Canadian Resident Matching Service (CaRMS) for thirteen of Canada's medical schools.
Students graduate with an MD degree in allopathic medicine.
The medical degree is a university document and does not, of itself, authorize practice as a physician.
There are 17 medical schools in Canada (language of instruction: 13 English, 3 French and 1 bilingual).
List of Canadian medical schools >>

Becoming a Doctor >>

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Postgraduate Training (residency)
Postgraduate training, also called residency, prepares physicians for independent practice in a medical specialty (family medicine or other specialties). Residency programs focus on the acquisition of detailed factual knowledge and the development of clinical skills and professional competencies in a particular specialty. These programs are based in hospitals or other health care institutions, and in most specialties, utilize both inpatient and outpatient settings for teaching purposes.
Source: Medical School Admission Requirements US and Canada 2003-2004, Association of American Medical Colleges, ISBN 1 57754 0220

Canadian graduates must complete a supervised training program in an accredited Canadian/American medical school. Certification in a specialty is a requirement for entry to practice.

The length of a residency varies for the different specialties. Postgraduate training in Family Medicine is two years in length. "Core" specialty programs certified by the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada (RCPSC) may be four or five years in length, depending on the program. Some sub-specialty programs require at least three years of training in the core specialty, and then require two or three years to complete subspecialty certification. For further information on the minimum length of training programs, visit the RCPSC or the CFPC site.

To access postgraduate training (residency) through the seventeen medical schools in Canada, including the three francophone universities in Québec, students must apply to the Canadian Resident Matching Service (CaRMS) in their final year of medical school. Selection is based on educational transcripts, personal statements, and interviews.

To be eligible for a residency program, students must possess a medical degree from an acceptable medical school. Once accepted into a program, and before commencing, candidates must obtain a ‘Postgraduate Education Certificate’ from the provincial medical regulatory authority.

The certificate permits the graduate to practice as a resident. There are terms, conditions and limitations to the certificate. The holder may practice medicine only as permitted by the postgraduate program and only in clinical teaching units or settings affiliated with a postgraduate program. The holder may not charge fees for services. Residents are not permitted to practice independently.

The Postgraduate Education Certificate is renewed annually and held during postgraduate medical training at a Canadian medical school.

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Certification
Physicians are required to obtain certification from the appropriate certifying body:

College of Family Physicians of Canada (CFPC)
Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada (RCPSC)
Collège des médecins du Québec (CMQ)
Through comprehensive examinations, the certifying bodies determine if candidates have been appropriately prepared in accordance with established educational standards.
Excerpted and adapted from: Medical School Admission Requirements US and Canada 2003-2004, Association of American Medical Colleges, ISBN 1 57754 0220

All new graduates of Canadian medical schools must enter residency training to become family physicians (CFPC) or other specialists (RCPSC). After completing an accredited postgraduate training program, graduates become eligible to take the certification examination in Family Medicine or another Specialty:

Family Physicians: To receive certification by the College of Family Physicians of Canada (CFPC), graduates must complete a two-year postgraduate family medicine training program and pass the College certification examination.

Specialists: For certification in a specialty of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada (RCPSC), graduates must successfully complete a postgraduate training program in that specialty (four or more years) and pass the certification exam.

For additional information on the roles of family physicians and other specialists, see Practice Options.

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Licentiate of the Medical Council of Canada (LMCC)
The successful completion of the Medical Council of Canada Qualifying Examination (MCCQE) Part I and Part II, required to become an LMCC, is a requirement of the provincial regulatory authorities in order to be granted a registration to practice in that province.

Requirements for the Licentiate of the Medical Council of Canada are:

Candidates must satisfy eligibility requirements for each Medical Council for Canada examination
Candidates must pass the Medical Council fo Canada Qualifying Examination Part I and Part II
Note regarding IMGs: Completion of these exams does not give IMGs a license to practice. They must also have the required Canadian medical residency training/assessment and have passed the certification exams in their specialty (see "Certification" above) in order to be eligible for an independent registration to practice from the provincial/territorial medical regulatory authority.

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Registration to Practice
Medical practice is regulated by each province/territory. Provincial/territorial medical practice Acts describe the practice of medicine and identify a public agency to license physicians and regulate medical practice. These agencies protect the public from potentially unprofessional and incompetent physicians and set and maintain standards for admission and communication in practice. All provinces and territories require applicants for a medical license to document that they have both completed educational and training programs, and achieved passing scores on the licensure examinations. Applicants must provide proof of having passed the certification exams in their specialty.
Excerpted and adapted from: Medical School Admission Requirements US and Canada 2003-2004, Association of American Medical Colleges, ISBN 1 57754 0220

Following postgraduate residency training/assessment and pending certification, graduates apply to the College of Physicians and Surgeons of that province/territory to be issued a Certificate of Registration to practice. The initial certificate may be a Restricted Practice Certificate, if there are conditions on the license (i.e., a return-of-service agreement). Upon completion of the required conditions, the physician is issued an Independent Practice Certificate.

A certificate of Registration for Independent Practice authorizes the holder to engage in independent, unsupervised medical practice, subject to the limitations that the holder of the certificate only practice in the areas in which he or she is educated and experienced.

The holder of the Independent Practice Certificate is entitled to all the rights and responsibilities of a physician in that province or territory and must pay the annual membership fee to maintain the Certificate.
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POSTGRADUATE MEDICAL EDUCATION IN CANADA
For qualified graduates who are Canadian citizens or landed immigrants, information about entry to Canadian residency
programs:
Canadian Resident Matching Service (CaRMS) Tel: (613) 237-0075
110 - 2283 St. Laurent Blvd, Toll-free: (877) 227-6742
Ottawa ON K1G 5A2 Fax: (613) 563-2860
Website: http://www.carms.ca
E-mail: carmsmail@carms.ca
Information about entry to the francophone universities in Québec:
Collège des médecins du Québec Tel: (514) 933-4441
2170 boul René-Lévesque Ouest Fax: (514) 933-3112
Montréal QC H3H 2T8 Toll-free : (888) 633-3246
Website: http://www.cmq.org
E-mail: info@cmq.org
Information about training and certification in family medicine:
The College of Family Physicians of Canada Tel: (905) 629-0900
2630 Skymark Ave Toll-free: (800) 387-6197
Mississauga ON L4W 5A4 Fax: (905) 629-0893
Website: http://www.cfpc.ca
Information about assessment of specialty postgraduate medical training or certification:
The Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada
774 Echo Dr Tel: (613) 730-8177
Ottawa ON K1S 5N8 Toll-free: (800) 668-3740
Fax: (613) 730-8830
Website: http://rcpsc.medical.org E-mail: credentials@rcpsc.edu
OTHER USEFUL ADDRESSES
Federation of Medical Regulatory Authorities of Canada
P.O. Box 8234, Stn. "T", 103 - 2283 St. Laurent Blvd.
Ottawa ON K1G 3H7
Website: www.fmrac.ca
E-mail: info@fmrac.ca
Association of Faculties of Medicine of Canada
774 Echo Drive
Ottawa ON K1S 5P2
Website: www.afmc.ca
Canadian Information Centre for International Medical Graduates
Website: http://www.img-canada.ca/en/licensure_o ... index.html
This web site is a central resource for International Medical Graduates (IMGs) (also referred to as Internationally Trained
Physicians). It will be useful for IMGs who are currently overseas and for IMGs that are already in Canada.
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